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The Captains "revolutionary" 5 count. An algorithm that gets rid of 57% of bad rolls, according to who? Where the proof? Perhaps it only occurs.


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The 5-Count, the Captain's method for finding hot shooters and reducing a player's overall risk at the craps table, starts with a point number (the "point numbers".


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We each handle the reality of craps in our own way. Frank also wants to be noticed as the one that introduced the Captain's 5 Count to the world.


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Understand and Beat the Odds - How to Play Craps Pt. 5

Such has no influence on the 5-Count. Because it is a normal way to play and since the odds are a wash between casino and player as long as you have a decent bankroll you lose nothing on the odds over time. Are there other ways to bet on random rollers? You will therefore be betting on 43 percent of the rolls. The best is no bets. When most shooters had the dice we were lucky to see one pass, as most established their point and the seven came within 5 rolls. Or don't take odds. I've gone through entire weekends without a 4-point payoff, and only once was there a 6-point payoff, and 3 5-point payoffs. On myself I bet across. But a six, seven, eight count would probably do the exact same thing give or take. Stewart Ethier, perhaps an even more famous mathematician than Catlin, went over the 5-Count for my book Casino Craps: Shoot to Win and I have his results in the book. Don't waste your money on the Fire Bet. But it is better to lose the edge on 43 percent than on percent of the random rolls. I'm heading out. Last edited by mustangsally; at PM. If there are shooters who are rhythmic rollers who never attempted to be such then there are such rollers. Alan, play the 5-Count and you'll only be betting on 43 percent of them but you'll still have the excitement of the game. It doesn't matter the fame of the mathematician. I'll get to these two posts tomorrow. If there aren't such rollers it doesn't matter. If you are not betting a sequence but betting individually the casino edge is always there the seven will show up The 5-Count is just reducing the total number of random rolls you bet on by 57 percent. Forgot one thing. Advanced Search. Originally Posted by regnis. Give it a try. My new way to play craps is fire bet and passline only. Mustang Sally has presented fun material. Reason: fat fingers. When it comes to math I am never wrong Uh, I'll apologize for that statement in advance.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} But if you are a random roller then you will never play craps again. Bet all means the player who bets on every shooter. How should you bet on random rollers? Thread Tools Show Printable Version. Over the entire weekend, at the tables I played at, I was the only shooter who made four numbers on the fire bet, though one other shooter made 6 passes five of them were 8. Thus you are saving money. Alan, Your "bet for 4 rolls per shooter" and take down the bets looks to be about equal to the 5 count in loss per shooter. But everyone is complaining to me that it's not worth it with the smaller payoffs. If you are lucky enough to be at a table with a controlled shooter, Catlin's simulation of millions of shooters showed that the 5-Counter will be on dice controllers 11 percent more of the time. Even tho you get paid for 3, it's not enough to make it exciting. According to mathematician Don Catlin, the 5-Count will eliminate 57 percent of the random rolls. I dont have the exact payoffs as I have not played there but will report back when I have all the info. Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson. I stand corrected and apologize. As you know, Sally, betting "odds" does not help the dice hit the point. Why take odds? Would love to meet and chat. Your choice. I reference you in the blackjack book. Reason: added info from SN Ethier book. You are still at the table enjoying that thrill of anticipation. Frank, I never understood your 5-Count except that most players roll the dice four or five times before they 7-out. One Pass Line or Come bet with odds after the 5-Count is completed. Sorry Mustang Sally. Yes, as Catlin showed if a controlled shooter is at the table the 5-Count does allow a 5-Counter to be on that shooter more than the "bet all" player. But the payoffs for 4 to 6 are low because they are also paying on 3. Some rolls are actually not counted. Now your idea is not a good one because you will miss all extended rolls. Originally Posted by FrankScoblete. Let's discuss the "five count" which, in theory, keeps your chips in the rail at the craps table until it appears that the shooter is not one of those guys or gals who is going to seven out too soon. This is the best way to hit the rare "jackpot" of a long roll. I compared to Don Catlin's sim result values but can easily calculate what they should be too once I grasp how exactly that 5 count works. I honestly think I have a profit making the Fire Bet as it stands now, but I think I would be a lot better off if there were a payoff on 3 points. Wierd fire bet at grand Victoria in Illinois. A random game is a random game. With the 5-Count you will be on all extended rolls. This particular method gives you the best of both worlds: you take advantage of the likelihood that a shooter will throw the dice four times and you collect, and then using your profits you stay at the table in case the "hand" continues. Sally thanks for the numbers but in plain English what does it mean? The 5-Count is not attempting to say that after it is reached the game starts to favor the player. I was not betting odds. It's all about quitting when ahead. But I have seen many players bet on a new shooter, and after three or four rolls take down their bets Regarding missing the "long rolls" well I was at Caesars this past weekend and I hit the fire bet for four numbers on two of my turns with the dice. The purpose plain and simple of the 5-Count is to reduce exposure to random shooters, lower one's expected losses. It has between a percent house edge worse than the worst slot machine. If you wanted to bet sequences you would have to place a bet at the beginning of the shooter's run that says, "He will make six numbers in a row that are not the seven. You're right. I will bet quite small if I have to be on random rollers. Since the player merely looks like other players who qualify shooters by some means and does get to be on enough rolls to make it look as if he is playing it is rare that a 5-Counter has any problems with the casino. I bet far much more on myself or a fellow dice controller such as Jerry "Stickman. Last edited by mustangsally; at AM. But I must have had the dice about 30 times over the weekend. Anyone who makes it through, you bet on one bet, Come or Pass with odds is now my recommendation. Originally Posted by mustangsally. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Remember Me? No chance for the big win. Frank betting odds will not make you win. However, we are not betting on sequences of numbers such consecutive rolls because each roll is a unique event and past rolls have no bearing on the roll about to take place now. If you are a dice controller influencer you always bet on yourself. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 20 of Thread: Let's discuss the craps "five count". I think I answered most of the ideas here. Odds allow you to win more if the dice go your way. The main purpose of the 5-Count is to simply reduce the amount of money you bet on random rollers and random rollers are the overwhelming majority of players. Over the long run, no matter what betting system you use, the casino will win its edge on all of your bets. Now, they took out that freebie and have a fire bet.